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		<title>Bernard Lewis: Islamic Jihad on the West</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bernard Lewis wrote in the Wall Street Journal, For a long time, the main enemy was seen, with some plausibility, as being the West, and some Muslims were, naturally enough, willing to accept what help they could get against that enemy. This explains the widespread support in the Arab countries and in some other places [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=251&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.princeton.edu/%7Enes/faculty_lewis.html">Bernard Lewis</a> wrote in the <a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010080">Wall Street Journal</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p><em>For a long time, the main enemy was seen, with some plausibility, as being the West, and some Muslims were, naturally enough, willing to accept what help they could get against that enemy. This explains the widespread support in the Arab countries and in some other places first for the Third Reich and, after its collapse, for the Soviet Union. These were the main enemies of the West, and therefore natural allies. </em></p>
<p><em>Now the situation had changed. The more immediate, more dangerous enemy was the Soviet Union, already ruling a number of Muslim countries, and daily increasing its influence and presence in others. It was therefore natural to seek and accept American help. As Osama bin Laden explained, in this final phase of the millennial struggle, the world of the unbelievers was divided between two superpowers. The first task was to deal with the more deadly and more dangerous of the two, the Soviet Union. After that, dealing with the pampered and degenerate Americans would be easy</em>.</p>
<p><em>We in the Western world see the defeat and collapse of the Soviet Union as a Western, more specifically an American, victory in the Cold War. For Osama bin Laden and his followers, it was a Muslim victory in a jihad, and, given the circumstances, this perception does not lack plausibility</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Will visiting of history preserve the future? (HT: <a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/">AM</a>)</p>
<p>More of Dr Lewis articles,</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/4557">Islamic Revolution</a>, <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, January 21, 1988</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/4444">Islamic Revolution: An Exchange</a>, <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, April 28, 1988</li>
<li><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/90sep/rage.htm">The Roots of Muslim Rage</a>, <em>The Atlantic Monthly</em>, September 1990</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/3517">The Vanished Library</a>, <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, September 27, 1990</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2874">Khomeini’s Forerunners</a>, <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, June 25, 1992</li>
<li><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/93feb/lewis.htm">Islam and Liberal Democracy</a>, <em>The Atlantic Monthly</em>, February 1993</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2632">The Enemies of God</a>, <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, March 25, 1993</li>
<li><a href="http://www.meforum.org/article/216">Why Turkey Is the only Muslim Democracy</a>, <em>The Middle East Quarterly</em>, March 1994</li>
<li><a href="http://www.meforum.org/article/290">The Middle East, Westernized Despite Itself</a>, <em>The Middle East Quarterly</em>, March 1996</li>
<li><a href="http://www.meforum.org/article/332">What does it mean to be haunted by one’s past?</a>, <em>MEF Wire</em>, October 1, 1996</li>
<li><a href="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/blewis.htm">“Islam and Liberal Democracy: A Historical Overview,”</a> <em>Journal of Democracy</em> 7.2 (1996) 52-63</li>
<li><a href="http://www.travelbrochuregraphics.com/extra/the_west_and_the_middle_east.htm">The West and the Middle East</a>, <em>Foreign Affairs</em>, January 1997</li>
<li><a href="http://www.meforum.org/article/396">Muslim Anti-Semitism</a>, <em>The Middle East Quarterly</em>, June 1998</li>
<li><a href="http://www.meforum.org/article/195">The Multiple Identities of the Middle East</a>, <em>MEF Wire</em>, November 16, 1999</li>
<li><a href="http://www.dayan.org/framebul.htm">Iran in History</a>, Middle Eastern Lectures, 2001</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001224">Jihad vs. Crusade</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, September 27, 2001</li>
<li><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?011119fa_FACT2">The Revolt of Islam</a>, <em>The New Yorker</em>, November 19, 2001</li>
<li><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/01/lewis.htm">What Went Wrong?</a>, <em>The Atlantic Monthly</em>, January 2002</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=105001985">A War of Resolve</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, April 26, 2002</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002168">Deconstructing Osama</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, August 23, 2002</li>
<li><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&amp;node=&amp;contentId=A59594-2002Sep9&amp;notFound=true">Targeted by a History of Hatred</a>, <em>The Washington Post</em>, September 10, 2002</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002355">Time for Toppling</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, September 28, 2002</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003302">A Question, and Answers</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, April 6, 2003</li>
<li><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/05/lewis.htm">“I’m Right, You’re Wrong, Go To Hell,”</a> <em>The Atlantic Montly</em>, May 2003</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003937">Put the Iraqis in Charge</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, August 29, 2003</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004230">King and Country</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, October 29, 2003 (with R. James Woolsey)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004478">Democracy and the Enemies Of Freedom</a>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, December 28, 2003</li>
<li>An <a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/med/lewis1.html">excerpt</a> from his book, <em>Race and Slavery in the Middle East</em>, Oxford University Press, 1994</li>
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		<title>Francis Beckwith converted to Catholicism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 06:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago I came upon the writings of Walter Martin&#8217;s daughter (Jill) regarding the nomination of Craig Hazen for presidency at Biola. What made the post interesting was Francis Beckwith&#8217;s responds to her &#8211; one and two. Even Mormon apologist and Brigham Young professor commented as well!! I was informed exactly a week [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=250&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago I came upon the writings of Walter Martin&#8217;s daughter (Jill) regarding the nomination of Craig Hazen for presidency at Biola. What made the post interesting was Francis Beckwith&#8217;s responds to her &#8211; <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=30605682&amp;postID=8732572788307622839">one</a> and <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=30605682&amp;postID=3141817657509666708">two</a>. Even Mormon apologist and Brigham Young professor commented as well!!</p>
<p>I was informed exactly a week ago that <a href="http://www3.baylor.edu/~Francis_Beckwith/Beckwith.html">Francis Beckwith</a> became a Catholic and I said, &#8220;No, he didn&#8217;t!&#8221; In my mind, some people just read him wrongly. Being sympathetic to Catholic theology does not make one a Catholic. And how could he convert to Catholicism especially when he is the President of <a href="http://www.etsjets.org/members/2007-members.html">Evangelical Theological Society</a>!</p>
<p><a href="http://aomin.org/index.php?itemid=1961">James White reported</a> on this.</p>
<p>And Roman Catholic <a href="http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/05/dr_francis_beck.html">Jimmy Akin reported</a> of Francis Beckwith&#8217;s conversion.</p>
<p>[Even though the society's statement of faith is extremely short (&amp; Catholics can also sign on the statement of faith) BUT, the name of the society is called, EVANGELICAL Theological Society! not Christian Theological Society. Therefore, this is not a society for Catholics. If the members knew of this, they would not have elected him!]</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: Francis Beckwith himself has just <a href="http://rightreason.ektopos.com/archives/2007/05/my_return_to_th.html#more">written on his return to the Catholic church</a>.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE 2</strong>: The Evangelical Theological Society’s Executive Committee posted their <a href="http://www.etsjets.org/popups/Beckwith_statement.html">statement</a> on Francis Beckwith.</p>
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		<title>Three Christians Brutally Murdered in Turkey by Muslims</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Necati Aydin, Tilman Geske and Ugur Yuksel, (L to R) A group of Muslims entered their premise with the intention to torture and to kill these three Christian workers. This is what happened to them, Tilman was stabbed 156 times, Necati 99 times and Ugur’s stabs were too numerous to count. They were disemboweled, and [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=249&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><font face="arial" size="1">Necati Aydin, Tilman Geske and Ugur Yuksel, (L to R) </font>A group of Muslims entered their premise with the intention to torture and to kill these three Christian workers. This is what happened to them,</p>
<p><a href="http://wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55426">Tilman was stabbed 156 times, Necati 99 times and Ugur’s stabs were too numerous to count. They were disemboweled, and their intestines sliced up in front of their eyes. They were emasculated and watched as those body parts were destroyed. Fingers were chopped off, their noses and mouths and anuses were sliced open. Possibly the worst part was watching as their brothers were likewise tortured. Finally, their throats were sliced from ear to ear, heads practically decapitated</a>.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Even though the family and friends of the victims were quick to forgive the Muslim murderers, their hatred has blinded them… </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=fullstory&amp;newsID=511"><span style="color:blue;">Necati Aydin’s funeral took place in his hometown of Izmir, the city where he came to faith. The darkness does not understand the light. Though the churches expressed their forgiveness for the event, Christians were not to be trusted. Before they would load the coffin onto the plane from Malatya, it went through two separate xray exams to make sure it was not loaded with explosives. This is not a usual procedure for Muslim coffins.</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>What can we do?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This is what Pastor Fikret Bocek urges, “<a href="http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=fullstory&amp;newsID=511"><span style="color:blue;">Please pray for the Church in Turkey, </span><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;color:blue;">Don’t pray</span></strong><strong><span style="color:blue;"> </span></strong><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;color:blue;">against persecution, pray for perseverence</span></strong><span style="color:blue;">.</span></a>”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Compare the two teachings of the murderer and the murdered,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Islam, </span></p>
<ul>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;">… and      fight them until there is no oppression and the religion is wholly for      God…. (8:38-40)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;">Fight against those among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in God and the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His messenger have forbidden, until they are subdued and pay <em>jizyah</em>      (tax on non-Muslims) … (9:29-32)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;">Cut their necks, subdue them, then be generous. Martyrs will receive paradise where there are rivers of water, milk, wine and honey plus fruits…. Sura 47:4-6,15 </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Christianity,  </span></p>
<ul>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;">You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved &#8211; Matthew 10:22</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;">Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name &#8211; Matthew 24:9</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;">If the world      hates you, you know that it has hated Me before <em>it hated </em>you &#8211; John      15:18 </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;">But I      say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you &#8211;      Matthew 5:44</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/18/AR2007041801381.html"><span style="color:blue;">3 Killed in Bible Attack</span></a><br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6568911.stm"><span style="color:blue;">3 Killed at Turkish Publisher</span></a><br />
<a href="http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070421/27003_Christians_in_Turkey_Fear_More_Attacks.htm"><span style="color:blue;">Christians in Turkey Fear More Attacks</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>UPDATE</strong>:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A <a href="http://dev.bible.org/bock/node/159">report</a> was posted that the accuracy of the stabbing was inaccurate, they were not stabbed 156 or 99 or countless times but they were stabbed a few times. I am all for accurate reporting but even if each of them were stabbed a few times that still speaks volume in regards to their hatred of the Christians. But the worst is not the stabbing but the cutting of throats!</p>
<p>The funeral</p>
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://graphe.wordpress.com/2007/04/30/three-christians-brutally-murdered-in-turkey-by-muslims/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/Djjkcj1pAWk/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span>
<p>The day of the murder 1 (some bloody scene especially one with his throat slit)</p>
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<p>The day of the murder 2</p>
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		<title>Thomas Huxley vs Six Sulawesi Monkeys</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What has Thomas Huxley got to do with these 6 Sulawesi Monkeys? vs Thomas Henry Huxley was an English biologist and the chief proponent of Darwin’s theory of evolution. He is often referred to as “Darwin’s Bulldog” due to his aggressive defense of Darwin. There was a debate between Huxley and Wilberforce (A British Mathematician), [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=245&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has Thomas Huxley got to do with these 6 Sulawesi Monkeys?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;">Thomas Henry Huxley was an English biologist and the chief proponent of Darwin’s theory of evolution. He is often referred to as “Darwin’s Bulldog” due to his aggressive defense of Darwin. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;">There was a debate between Huxley and Wilberforce (A British Mathematician), there is very little record of the debate, so little can be certain about actually happened. According to legend Huxley was asked to explain how all the apparent design in life could be the result of chance and responded with the following analogy:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;">“<em>If given an extremely long period of time, an infinite amount of ink, six monkeys who never die and six typewriters that never break. The monkeys would eventually type the complete works of Shakespeare</em>.” </span><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;">According to legend Wilberforce did not have a good objection to the analogy and that marked a great turn in the public opinion concerning evolution.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span></span><strong><span style="color:black;">Let us Understand Huxley’s Analogy,</span></strong><span></span></p>
<ul>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span>The universe is the      paper and the ink</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span>The monkeys are “random”      external causal agents.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span>The input of the random forces is restricted by the laws of the typewriter which would correspond with the laws of nature.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span>The complete works of      Shakespeare are supposed to be analogous to the complexity of life.</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><strong><span style="color:black;">Let us put Huxley to the test</span></strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;">In an interesting experiment, Huxley’s idea was put to the test. A Plymoth University research team left a computer in the monkey enclosure at Paignton Zoo in southwest England, home to six Sulawesi crested Macaques named Elmo, Gum, Heather, Holly, Mistletoe and Rowan. Mike Phillips, who runs the university’s Institute of Digital Arts and Technologies, had the following comments concerning the results,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;">1. “The lead male got a stone and started bashing the hell out of it.”<br />
2. “Another thing they were interested in was in defecating and urinating all over the keyboard.”</span><span style="color:black;"><br />
3. “The monkeys failed to produce a single word” </span><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;">The chance god!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;">By the way, you can even buy the book written by Elmo, Gum, Heather, Holly, Mistletoe and Rowan titled, “Notes Towards the Complete Works of Shakespeare” for UK 25 pounds.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span style="color:black;"><a href="http://www.vivaria.net/experiments/notes/documentation/"><span style="color:blue;">View the project with pictures and videos</span></a>.</span><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:130%;"><span><a href="http://www.vivaria.net/experiments/notes/publication/"><span style="color:blue;">Or, if you don’t want to buy the book just view for free</span></a><span style="color:blue;">.</span></span></p>
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		<title>Alvin Plantinga refutes Richard Dawkins</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alvin Plantinga weighs in on Richard Dawkins, “The God Delusion,” Richard Dawkins is not pleased with God: The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all of fiction. Jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic-cleanser; a misogynistic homophobic racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=244&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Alvin Plantinga weighs in on Richard Dawkins, “The God Delusion,”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2007/002/1.21.html"><span>Richard Dawkins is not pleased with God:</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2007/002/1.21.html"><span>The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all of fiction. Jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic-cleanser; a misogynistic homophobic racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal….</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2007/002/1.21.html"><span>Well, no need to finish the quotation; you get the idea. Dawkins seems to have chosen God as his sworn enemy. (Let’s hope for Dawkins’ sake God doesn’t return the compliment.)</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2007/002/1.21.html">The God Delusion is an extended diatribe against religion in general and belief in God in particular; Dawkins and Daniel Dennett (whose recent <em>Breaking the Spell</em> is his contribution to this genre) are the touchdown twins of current academic atheism.1 Dawkins has written his book, he says, partly to encourage timorous atheists to come out of the closet. He and Dennett both appear to think it requires considerable courage to attack religion these days; says Dennett, “I risk a fist to the face or worse. Yet I persist.” Apparently atheism has its own heroes of the faith—at any rate its own self-styled heroes. Here it’s not easy to take them seriously; religion-bashing in the current Western academy is about as dangerous as endorsing the party’s candidate at a Republican rally.</a> More at <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2007/002/1.21.html"><span style="color:blue;">CT</span></a>.</span></p>
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		<title>Al Mohler vs Homosexuality</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article from Dr Mohler’s blog caused a big stir especially in the homosexuality community—“Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?” Also, don’t forget to listen (or watch) these talks by Al Mohler, Louisville Forum A Debate on Homosexual Marriage Part 1 &#124; Part 2 [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=243&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This article from Dr Mohler’s blog caused a big stir especially in the homosexuality community—“</span><strong><a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=891">Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?</a></strong>”<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also, don’t forget to listen (or watch) these talks by Al Mohler,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>Louisville Forum </span></strong><span>A Debate on Homosexual Marriage <a href="http://stream.sbts.edu:9037/ramgen/Speakers/Mohler/20040114mohler1.rm"><span style="color:blue;">Part 1</span></a> | <a href="http://stream.sbts.edu:9037/ramgen/Speakers/Mohler/20040114mohler2.rm"><span style="color:blue;">Part 2</span></a></span></p>
<p><strong><span>Homosexual “Marriage”: A Tragic Oxymoron–Biblical and Cultural Reflections  </span></strong><span><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/MediaPlayer/1659/Audio/"><span style="color:blue;">Listen</span></a>   <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/MediaPlayer/1659/Video/"><span style="color:blue;">Watch</span></a> </span></p>
<p>The homosexual protesters outside Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. These are some of the pictures taken from <a href="http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=B2&amp;Date=20070326&amp;Category=NEWS01&amp;ArtNo=703260801&amp;Ref=PH&amp;Params=Itemnr=1">Courier-Journal</a>. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601131_pf.html">Washington Post </a>reports on the arrest and on Dr Mohler’s statement. (HT: <a href="http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=655#more-655">DB</a>)</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a more extensive collection of Carson&#8217;s sermons than the previously posted one by myself. (HT: AN) The Use of the OT in the NT Part 1, part 2, part 3 Hard Texts: Why does Hebrews cite the OT like that? part 1, part 2, part 3 (2005 J. B. Gray Lectures at SBTS [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=241&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>(HT: <a href="http://anaselli.blogspot.com/2006/12/mp3s-of-d-carson.html">AN</a>)</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">The Use of the OT in the NT</span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Use_of_OT_in_NT_1.mp3">Part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Use_of_OT_in_NT_2.mp3">part 2</a>, <a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Use_of_OT_in_NT_3.mp3">part 3</a></li>
<li>Hard Texts: Why does Hebrews cite the OT like that? <a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/JBGay/2005Carson01.mp3">part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/JBGay/2005Carson02.mp3">part 2</a>, <a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/JBGay/2005Carson03.mp3">part 3</a> (2005 J. B. Gray Lectures at SBTS in Louisville)</li>
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<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Postmodernism</span></p>
<ul>
<li>Understanding Postmodernism from a Confessional Stance: <a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=90">part 1</a>,  <a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=91">part 2</a> (<a href="http://www.bethinking.org/resource.php?ID=121">outline</a>)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Postmodernism1.mp3">Part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Postmodernism2.mp3">part 2</a>, <a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Postmodernism_Workshop.mp3">workshop</a></li>
<li>Sacred and Sure: 1. <a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=812">From Modernism to Postmodernism</a>, 2. <a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=813">Foundations of Knowing</a>, 3. <a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=814">The Talking God</a>, 4. <a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=815">Tough Talk</a></li>
<li>The Intolerance of Tolerance: <a href="http://faculty.bbc.edu/Rdecker/sub/audio/CarsonPlenary1.mp3">part 1</a>, <a href="http://faculty.bbc.edu/Rdecker/sub/audio/CarsonPlenary3.mp3">part 2</a> (3.26.04)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-The_Gagging_of_God_QandA.mp3">The Gagging of God Q &amp; A</a></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Emergent Church<br />
</span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.tiu.edu/files/hctu/D.%20A.%20Carson%20-%20lecture%20-%2009_21_05.mp3">Is the emergent church biblical?</a> (9.21.05)</li>
<li><span></span><a href="http://www.shallwesingasongforyou.co.uk/sermons/doncarson/emergentchurch1_description.mp3">A Description of the Movement with a Focus on Its Strengths</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.shallwesingasongforyou.co.uk/sermons/doncarson/emergentchurch2_criticalevaluation.mp3">The Movement Evaluated More Critically</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.shallwesingasongforyou.co.uk/sermons/doncarson/emergentchurch3_relbetweenexperienceandtruth_scriptureexposition.mp3">An Exposition of Scripture on the Relationship Between Experience and Truth</a></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Evangelism</span></p>
<ul>
<li>Reaching an Untouched Generation (Oct 18-19, 1997 at High Park Baptist Church in Toronto): 1. <a href="http://www.newhorizonchurch.ca/conf/audio/carson/DACarson1_PostmodernismandBiblicalIlliteracy%281of5%29.mp3">Postmodernism and Biblical Illiteracy</a>, 2. <a href="http://www.newhorizonchurch.ca/conf/audio/carson/DACarson2_FirstStepsTowardRegrouping%282of5%29.mp3">First Steps Toward Regrouping</a>, 3. <a href="http://www.newhorizonchurch.ca/conf/audio/carson/DACarson3_WorldviewEvangelism%283of5%29.mp3">Worldview Evangelism</a>, 4. <a href="http://www.newhorizonchurch.ca/conf/audio/carson/DACarson4_ApostolicEvangelismofBiblicalIlliterates%284of5%29.mp3">Apostolic Evangelism of Biblical Illiterates</a>, 5. <a href="http://www.newhorizonchurch.ca/conf/audio/carson/DACarson5_FaithintheCrossofChrist%285of5%29.mp3">Faith in the Cross of Christ</a></li>
<li>Evangelism in the 21 Century: <a href="http://www.omahabiblechurch.org/uploads/AudioFiles/200210MC1.MP3">part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.omahabiblechurch.org/uploads/AudioFiles/200210MC2.mp3">part 2</a>, <a href="http://www.omahabiblechurch.org/uploads/AudioFiles/200210MC3.MP3">part 3</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.tiu.edu/files/hctu/1_D._A._Carson.mp3">Ongoing Imperative for World Mission</a></li>
<li><a href="http://content.christianity.com/1/207/1_207_TellingthePreModernTruthtoPostModernPeopleQA.ALL.mp3">Telling Premodern Truth to Postmodern People</a></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">So-Called New Perspective on Paul Critiqued</span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://web.nwc.edu/%7Eabcaneday/Lecture1-NPP-DA_Carson.mp3">Part 1</a>, <a href="http://web.nwc.edu/%7Eabcaneday/Lecture2-NPP-DA_Carson.mp3">part 2</a>, <a href="http://web.nwc.edu/%7Eabcaneday/Lecture3-NPP-DA_Carson.mp3">part 3</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-The_New_Perspective_on_Paul.mp3">The New Perspective on Paul</a> (<a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/resource.php?ID=240">outline</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Love of God</span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=446">The Love of God</a> (<a href="http://www.bethinking.org/resource.php?ID=277">outline</a>)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/media/audio/conferences/national2006/07_20060930_carson.mp3">The Supremacy of Christ and Love in a Postmodern World</a> (Desiring God Conference, 9.30.06)</li>
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<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Vision of a Transcendent God</span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://64.19.50.210/sermons/2006%20Sermons/2006-02-26_AM1.mp3">Part 1</a>, <a href="http://64.19.50.210/sermons/2006%20Sermons/2006-02-26_AM2.mp3">part 2</a></li>
<li>1998 Pastor&#8217;s Conference: 1.<a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/1998PastorsConf_VisionOfHolyGod.mp3">Vision of a Holy God</a>, 2.<a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/1998PastorsConf_VisionOfRedeemingGod.mp3">Vision of a Redeeming God</a>, 3. <a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/1998PastorsConf_VisionOfTranscendentGod.mp3">Vision of a Transcendent God</a></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">The Book of Revelation</span></p>
<ul>
<li>Revelation: <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carson1.mp3">Rev 4</a>, <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carson2.mp3">Rev 5</a>, <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carson3.mp3">Rev 12</a>, <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carson4.mp3">Rev 13 part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carson5.mp3">Rev 13 part 2</a>, <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carson6.mp3">Rev 14</a>, <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carson7.mp3">Rev 21-22.6</a>, <a href="http://www.atthecastle.org.uk/audio/carsonquestions.mp3">Q &amp; A</a></li>
<li>1994 Conference: 1. <a href="http://www.careyconference.net/audio/1994-carson/1994-1-Carson-ATranscendantGod.mp3">Vision of a Transcendent God</a>, 2. <a href="http://www.careyconference.net/audio/1994-carson/1994-2-Carson-ARedeemingGod.mp3">Vision of a Redeeming God</a>, 3. <a href="http://www.careyconference.net/audio/1994-carson/1994-3-Carson-RageRage.mp3">Rage, Rage, Against the Church</a>, 4. <a href="http://www.careyconference.net/audio/1994-carson/1994-4-Carson-AntiChrist.mp3">Antichrist and the False Prophet</a>, 5. <a href="http://www.careyconference.net/audio/1994-carson/1994-5-Carson-TriumphoftheLamb.mp3">The Triumph of the Lamb of God</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Even_so_come_Lord_Jesus.mp3">Even So, Come, Lord Jesus!</a> (Rev 21.1-22.6) (<a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/resource.php?ID=245">outline</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Jesus and the Cross</span><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><br />
</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Sin_and_the_Fall.mp3">Sin and the Fall</a> (Gen 3) (<a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/resource.php?ID=246">outline</a>)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/DACarson_JesusChrist-God+Man_John1v1-18.mp3">Jesus Christ, the God-Man</a> (John 1.1-18)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Jesus_the_Word_of_God.mp3">Jesus the Word of God</a> (John 1.1-18) (<a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/resource.php?ID=124">outline</a>)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/DACarson_JesusTheSonOfGod.mp3">Jesus, the Son of God</a></li>
<li><a href="http://audio.stag.org/mp3/199305091115.mp3">The Bread of Life</a> (John 6)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/DACarson_WhoTouchedMe_Mark5v21-34.mp3">Who Touched Me?</a> (Mark 5.21-34)</li>
<li><a href="http://audio.stag.org/mp3/198911261030.mp3">Lord of the Sabbath</a> (Matt 12:1-14)</li>
<li><a href="http://faculty.bbc.edu/Rdecker/sub/audio/CarsonChapel.mp3">Ironies of the Cross</a> (Matt 27:27-50) (3.26.04)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.bethinking.org/download.php?MediaID=149">Why Trust a Cross?</a> (Rom 3:21-26) (<a href="http://www.bethinking.org/resource.php?ID=126">outline</a>)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/DACarson_FaithInTheCrossOfChrist_Rom3v21-31.mp3">Faith in the Cross of Christ</a> (Rom 3.21-31)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sbts.edu/mp3/spring2005/20050301carson.mp3">Doubting Thomas</a> (John 20.24-31) &#8211; SBTS chapel</li>
<li><a href="http://files.urc-msu.org/mp3/2006/100806.mp3">The Cross and Christian Ministry</a> (Acts 17.16-34)</li>
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<p><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"></span></span><span style="font-weight:bold;">Other Sermons</span></p>
<ul>
<li>On Being Prepared for Suffering and Evil: <a href="http://www.shallwesingasongforyou.co.uk/sermons/doncarson/OnBeingPreparedforSufferingandEvil2.mp3">part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.shallwesingasongforyou.co.uk/sermons/doncarson/OnBeingPreparedforSufferingandEvil.mp3">part 2</a></li>
<li><a href="http://64.19.50.210/sermons/1999%20Sermons/1999-09-12_AM.MP3">Trials</a> (9.12.99)</li>
<li><a href="http://content.christianity.com/536/46867/536_46867_TheRoleoftheElderwithDonCarson.ALL.mp3">Role of the Elder</a> (preached at Mark Dever&#8217;s church)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lefc.com/Sermons/sermon4726-3-88.mp3">Steve Matthewson&#8217;s Installation Charge</a></li>
<li><a href="http://media.gospelcom.net/cornerstone/grts/chapel/2004-09-15-D%20A%20Carson-Truth.WMA">Cornerstone University Chapel</a> (9.15.04)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.knoxtoronto.org/sermons/SF%202006/SF%20July%2019%202006_lq.mp3">Moses&#8217; Intercessory Prayer</a> (Exodus 32-34)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/DACarson_ThePsalmOfTheSheep_Psalm23.mp3">The Psalm of the Sheep</a> (Ps 23)</li>
<li><a href="http://audio.stag.org/mp3/200105131115.mp3">Laughing All the Way from the Bank</a> (2 Cor 8.1-9.15)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.sermonaudio.ca/carson/DACarson_TheSpiritOvercomesDeath_Rom8.mp3">The Spirit Overcomes Death</a> (Rom <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
<li><a href="http://64.19.50.210/sermons/2006%20Sermons/2006-02-24_PM.mp3">What Makes You Great</a> (2.24.06)</li>
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<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Other Lectures</span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.chbcaudio.org/podpress_trac/web/109/0/03-10-04.mp3">Just War</a> (Henry Forum at Mark Dever&#8217;s church, 3.10.04)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/Media/Audio/Don_Carson-Openness_of_God_Theology.mp3">Openness of God Theology</a> (<a href="http://www.euroleadershipresources.org/resource.php?ID=241">outline</a>)</li>
<li><a href="http://content.christianity.com/1/33844/1_33844_ADiscussiononCommunion.ALL.mp3">Discussion on Communion</a></li>
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		<title>I too am back&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been working on a thesis, so I&#8217;m gald that&#8217;s over!</p>
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		<title>I am back&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is good to be back. Travelled to different parts of Asia. And now back to Graphe, the world of blog.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=239&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to be back. Travelled to different parts of Asia.</p>
<p>And now back to Graphe, the world of blog.</p>
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		<title>Bahnsen vs Stein, Tabash &amp; Smith</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg Bahnsen vs Gordon Stein. The great debate. Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Transcripts of the debate are available here and here. Greg Bahnsen vs Edward Tabash Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Greg Bahnsen vs George Smith Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=238&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.scccs.org/scccs/about/dr.asp">Greg Bahnsen</a> vs <a href="http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/stein_16_4.html">Gordon Stein</a>. The great debate.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_1a_TheismvsAtheism.mp3">Part 1</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_1bTheism_vsAtheism.mp3">Part 2</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_2_Theism_vs_Atheism.mp3">Part 3</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Transcripts of the debate are available <a href="http://www.popchapel.com/Resources/Bahnsen/GreatDebate/GreatDebate_v1.3.pdf">here</a> and <a href="http://www.bellevuechristian.org/faculty/dribera/htdocs/PDFs/Apol_Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_Transcript.pdf">here</a>.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-weight:normal;">Greg Bahnsen vs Edward Tabash </span></strong><span style="color:black;"><br />
<a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/Bahnsen_Tabash_Debate_1aTheismvsAtheism_.mp3">Part 1</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/Bahnsen_Tabash_Debate_1bTheism_vs_Atheism.mp3">Part 2</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/Bahnsen_Tabash_Debate_2_Theism_vs_Atheism_.mp3">Part 3</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-weight:normal;">Greg Bahnsen vs George Smith </span></strong><span style="color:black;"><br />
<a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smitha.mp3">Part 1</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithb.mp3">Part 2</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithc.mp3">Part 3</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithd.mp3">Part 4</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithe.mp3">Part 5</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithf.mp3">Part 6</a><br />
<a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithg.mp3">Part 7</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithh.mp3">Part 8</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithi.mp3">Part 9</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithj.mp3">Part 10</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithk.mp3">Part 11</a> <a href="http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/BahnsenV.Smithl.mp3">Part 12</a></span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[2.1 Theological Terms By meticulous providence it is meant that God’s control over creation is expansive and detailed. Commensurate with traditional Calvinistic thinking, every event, choice, and free action is predetermined by God. The divine decree is not an agent; it has no causal powers nor is it active in any way. The decree is [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=237&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><em>2.1<span>       </span>Theological Terms</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;"><span> </span>By <em>meticulous providence</em> it is meant that God’s control over creation is expansive and detailed. Commensurate with traditional Calvinistic thinking, every event, choice, and free action is predetermined by God.<strong> </strong>The <em>divine decree</em> is not an agent; it has no causal powers nor is it active in any way. The decree is God’s plan for the world which may be conceived of as a blueprint or script for the destiny of creation. God’s<em> providence</em> is his activity in creation directed toward bringing his decree to pass. For something to be <em>predestined</em> is for something to be decreed. Hence, God’s decree is meticulous. He not only decrees a world but also the human choices and actions that make up that world. It is not by virtue of decreeing the actual world that he decrees the network of human choices that make up that world. Instead, <em>contra </em>Molinism, God decrees particular events consisting of networks of free human choices and through his providential activity ensures that the events he has decreed come about without (in most cases) violating human freedom in the semi-compatibilist sense defined above.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><em>2.2<span>       </span>Divine Knowledge and the Decree</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;">Like the Molinist, I affirm that God has middle knowledge. However, unlike the Molinist, I locate this knowledge logically posterior to what I shall call a <em>possible decree</em>. (I do not view possible worlds as free standing concepts independent of God’s (at least possible) creative activity.) Traditionally, it has been held that God’s omniscience consists in only two types of knowledge: <em>natural knowledge </em>and <em>free knowledge</em>.<a href="#_ftn1" title="_ftnref1" name="_ftnref1"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[1]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> God’s <em>natural knowledge</em> is his knowledge of necessary truths. According to this knowledge God knows which worlds are possible. He has this knowledge, on my view, in virtue of which worlds he knows he <em>could decree</em>. God’s knowledge of these worlds, you might say, is based on a <em>possible decree</em>. This is because it doesn’t seem to me at all clear how God could know of a world without knowing of his creative activity of and in that world prior to his conception of it. God’s creative activity, it seems to me, must be the ontological and logical basis of all possible worlds. Hence, so also must be his <em>decree</em> to create. This flows not only directly from my view of God as meticulously provident but also from my view of Him as creator. So, logically prior to his instantiation of the actual world God has natural knowledge based on a myriad of possible worlds he could decree to be actual (i.e. instantiate) (this is his <em>possible decree</em>). God’s <em>free knowledge</em>, in contrast, is logically posterior to <em>the actual decree </em>and consists in God’s knowledge of the actual world. Divine <em>middle knowledge</em>,<a href="#_ftn2" title="_ftnref2" name="_ftnref2"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[2]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> then, stands logically between God’s natural and free knowledge. Specifically, God knows what every compatibilistically free agent would do if they were placed in a particular set of circumstances. To put it a bit more technically, God knows the truth-value of all <em>counterfactual propositions</em>: conditionals of the form ‘if it were the case that <em>r</em>, <em>x</em> would choose <em>y</em>; if it were the case that <em>z</em>, <em>x </em>would choose <em>q</em>’ where <em>z</em> and <em>r</em> stand for circumstantial conditionals. I am convinced that such counterfactuals exist and as a corollary of divine omniscience, it seems correct to say that God knows them. Furthermore, I contend that counterfactual knowledge would be immensely useful in God’s planning of the actual world. Terrance Tiessen comments on how exactly this might go:</p>
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<p class="BlockQuoteChar"><span style="font-size:10pt;">God has middle knowledge, understood as his knowledge of all future counterfactuals. He is able to know this because his moral creatures are voluntary but not indeterministically free. Therefore, at the logical moment in eternity when God determined all that would come to be in created time, thereby establishing his eternal purpose or decree, he did so by a process in which he discerned what each of his creatures would do in a particular situation and then decided what influences he would bring to bear to change the situation so that the outcome, as decided freely by the creatures involved, would move things along in the direction of his purpose. I have pointed that in many instances God chose not to insert his influence in a forceful way and that he chose never to do so in a coercive way. He was still able to bring all of those creaturely decisions and their effects together in a history that culminates with his triumph over evil, and that demonstrates to all the greatness of his wisdom and grace. Every incident along the way has meaning in the light of the whole, and he is never out of control, even when he wills to allow creatures to be disobedient, sustaining their lives even as they reject his right to their worship and love and obedience</span>.<a href="#_ftn3" title="_ftnref3" name="_ftnref3"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[3]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a></p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">I essentially endorse this proposal by Tiessen.<a href="#_ftn4" title="_ftnref4" name="_ftnref4"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[4]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> Nevertheless, I will have substantially more to say about the role of divine middle knowledge in God’s providential activity later. Until then, this will work as a thumbnail sketch for how I perceive the relationship of divine knowledge—particularly, counterfactual knowledge—to the decree.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><em>2.3<span>       </span>Providence and Human Freedom</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;"><span>  </span>It seems to me that the theologian who is concerned with maintaining both the moral responsibility of man and a meticulous view of divine providence will need to adopt some form of compatibilism. Tiessen touched briefly on the relationship of providence and freedom in his remarks so I will build off of his account. He says that God decreed the actual world “by a process in which he discerned what each of his creatures would do in a particular situation and then decided what influences he would bring to bear to change the situation so that the outcome, as decided freely by the creatures involved, would move things along in the direction of his purpose.” Tiessen seems to view situations as antecedent conditions which God uses to move compatibilistically free agents to act in accord with his predetermined purpose. Accordingly, these events are both free and predetermined. The agents are free and morally responsible because their actions are in accord with their own reasons and desires in response to the relevant situations. They are determined because they are an unfolding of God’s decree by means of God’s direct providential activity through the antecedent conditions that contribute to the bringing about of the action. I agree with this account. However, what Tiessen does not make clear is the relation of providential activity to the activity of the agent. The double agency relation, on Tiessen’s account, is fairly vague. One thing which I think should be carefully avoided is conceiving of God’s use of antecedent conditions as input-output mechanistic relations in which, say, external circumstances are brought to bear on an agent as an input devise for the output of agent-activity. This seems to me far too mechanical. It seems <em>almost</em> as if circumstances are exercising some kind of direct control over the agent.<a href="#_ftn5" title="_ftnref5" name="_ftnref5"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[5]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> The relationship of the activity of the agent to the determined antecedent conditions, therefore, should be thought of in terms of <em>agent-circumstance interaction</em>. The agent interacts and responds to situations which converge into new situations which re-exert their influence upon the agent so that agent<em> interacts</em> with antecedent conditions so as to shape the very conditions that bring about her action. Daniel Dennett explores a similar connection regarding antecedent conditions (like the past). He says:</p>
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<p class="BlockQuoteChar"><span style="font-size:10pt;">Contrary to a familiar vision&#8230;<em>determinism does not in itself ‘erode control’</em>&#8230;.Moreover, <em>The past does not control us</em>. It no more controls us than the people at NASA can control the space ships that have wandered out of reach in space. It is not that there are no causal links between the Earth and those craft [sic.]. There are; reflected sunlight from Earth still reaches them, for instance. But causal links are not enough for control. There must also be feedback to inform the controller. There are no feedback signals from the present to the past for the past to exploit</span>.<a href="#_ftn6" title="_ftnref6" name="_ftnref6"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[6]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a></p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">That antecedent conditions exert influence on our activity does not mean that they control us. Rather, it is the interaction of the activity which issues from an agent’s own reasons-responsive mechanism (to use Fischer’s terminology) with the antecedent conditions that God sets in place which brings about the God-intended effect. So in an extremely strong sense, our actions are our own. We act in complete accord with our desires in response to the circumstances that are presented to them. In short, we possess guidance control. God’s determination of the antecedent conditions, the way in which we interact with them, and our responsibility for the resultant actions are, therefore, not incompatible. The next chapter will take on the burden of establishing this claim.</p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref1" title="_ftn1" name="_ftn1"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[1]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> cf. Muller, <em>PRRD</em>, 3:411ff.; natural knowledge= <em>scientia simplcisi</em> or <em>scientia necessaria</em>, free knowledge= <em>scientia voluntaria</em> or <em>scientia libera</em>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref2" title="_ftn2" name="_ftn2"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[2]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> <em>scientia media</em>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref3" title="_ftn3" name="_ftn3"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[3]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Terrance Tiessen, <em>Providence</em><em> and Prayer: How Does God Work in the World?</em> (Downers Grove, Intervarsity Press, 2000), 319.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref4" title="_ftn4" name="_ftn4"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[4]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> For a similar proposal see John Feinberg, <em>No One Like Him: The Doctrine of God</em>, 626-774; for a critique of these proposals see John D. Laing, “The Compatibility of Calvinism and Middle Knowledge,” <em>JETS</em> 47/3 (2004):455-68; for a critique of Lang’s critique, see my forth coming paper “Calvinism, Compatibilism, and Counterfactuals: A Response to John Lang.”</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref5" title="_ftn5" name="_ftn5"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[5]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> I in no way think that Tiessen endorses this kind of view.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref6" title="_ftn6" name="_ftn6"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[6]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Dennett, <em>Elbow Room</em>, 72.</span></p>
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<p>Paul Helm is blogging now at <a href="http://paulhelmsdeep.blogspot.com/">Helm&#8217;s Deep</a>. I have often thought where he has gone since he is no longer a full time faculty member at Regent. Perhaps back to England? No, he will be in the U.S! He will be joining SBTS and RTS in January, 07 according to his blog.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;line-height:normal;">Having considered some of the more significant models for interpreting human freedom and moral responsibility, it is now appropriate to ask how human freedom might work within a world which is providentially governed by God. Specifically, we are now ready to inquire into dynamics of <em>double-agency</em>. We will examine the three most common models of providence and freedom in contemporary philosophical theology and briefly discusses their explanatory implications. In particular, I will explore two libertarian models and one—my own—compatibilist model. My model is unique in that it utilizes a middle knowledge, semi-compatibilist approach.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;text-indent:0;line-height:normal;" align="center"><strong>1<span>          </span>Two General Providence Libertarian Models</strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><strong><span>            </span></strong>As might be imagined, a commitment to libertarian freedom raises some very interesting problems concerning divine providence. If, for example, freedom is conceived of as ‘the ability to do otherwise,’ then it seems hard to imagine how one could affirm that God ordains the action which libertarian agents actually perform. The problem can be framed as follows:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><span>            </span>(1)<span>        </span>Man is morally responsible.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72pt;text-indent:-36pt;line-height:normal;">(2)<span>        </span>PAP is the correct principle for understanding the conferral of moral responsibility.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72pt;text-indent:-36pt;line-height:normal;">(3)<span>        </span>Therefore, some form of libertarianism is the best way to explicate human freedom.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72pt;text-indent:-36pt;line-height:normal;">(4)<span>        </span>Therefore, some agent <em>x</em> is free only if he could have done otherwise than act <em>q</em> in circumstances <em>c</em>.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><span>            </span>(5)<span>        </span>If God determines all things then God determined <em>q</em>.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><span>            </span>(6)<span>        </span>God determines all things.<span>      </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;">(7)<span>        </span>Therefore, God determined <em>q</em>.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><span>            </span>(8)<span>        </span>If God determined <em>q</em>, then <em>x</em> could not have done otherwise than <em>q</em>.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72pt;text-indent:-36pt;line-height:normal;">(9)<span>        </span>Therefore, either God doe not determine all things or <em>x</em> could not have done other than <em>q</em>.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72pt;text-indent:-36pt;line-height:normal;"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;">The strategy in both cases which we will consider will is to modify the most natural interpretation of (6) so that the idea of ‘determination’ does not entail determin<em>ism</em>. This is the only way to avoid the problem contained in (9). Divine sovereignty must be thought of only in a<em> general</em> sense so that it does not shut down alternative pathways. Both strategies I will consider explicate this <em>general sovereignty</em> model in a different way. The first strategy qualifies the last two words of (6) (‘all things’) while the second focuses its energies on the second two words (the nature of the ‘determining’).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><em>1.1<span>       </span>The Divine Self-Limitation Model</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><span>            </span>The divine self-limitation model has been employed by many philosophers and theologians—predominately those associated with Arminianism and what is now called ‘open theism.’ This position usually takes two forms. The first form argues that God has actually depleted himself of certain kinds of powers by virtue of creating a certain kind world—a world with libertarian agents, for one. The second form seems to interpret ‘self-limitation’ as ‘self-restraint.’<a href="#_ftn1" title="_ftnref1" name="_ftnref1"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[1]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> It is not that God no longer has the power to exert control over free creatures—he still has that power. Instead, God’s love for his creation is such that he has chosen to limit his control so as not to violate their freedom. Richard Swinburne identifies the libertarian motivation of this position when he suggests that:</p>
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<p class="BlockQuoteChar"><span style="font-size:10pt;">An agent could be in a state of belief and desire such that it was inevitable that he would do what he did, or an action as good as the action he did do, and then neither praise nor blame would be deserved. It is a continuation of that thought to suggest that an agent would not be morally responsible at all (he would never be praiseworthy or blameworthy) if he was caused necessarily, predetermined, to try to do what he did, by his brain state, and that in turn by some prior state, until we come to causes outside the agent’s body and ultimately to causes long before his birth</span>.<a href="#_ftn2" title="_ftnref2" name="_ftnref2"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[2]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a></p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">How is it, then, that God is sovereign and yet man is free in the relevant (libertarian) sense? Bruce Reichenbach offers the following answer:</p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar"><span style="font-size:10pt;">Sovereignty invokes the political relationship of governance&#8230;.The governor or sovereign has both authority and power&#8230;The relation of the sovereign to the fundamental laws [which he set forth] and the source of the sovereign’s authority help determine the kind of power the sovereign has, what their limits are, and to what extent they may be employed. If there are certain necessary laws, the sovereign’s power is determined and limited by these laws. If the power of the sovereign is derived from the consent of the governed, then his power will be limited by the governed whose consent may be withdrawn under certain circumstances&#8230;.To be sovereign does not mean that everything that occurs<span>  </span>in accord with the will of the sovereign or that the sovereign can bring about anything he or she wants. The ability of the sovereign to determine the outcome depends on the freedom granted to the governed. If those subject to the sovereign have freedom, then there are certain things that the sovereign cannot bring about&#8230;Orthodox Christians hold that God is sovereign; he has both authority and power over his creation&#8230;.Yet at the same time he has willingly limited his power and created us with a freedom to choose between good and evil.</span><a href="#_ftn3" title="_ftnref3" name="_ftnref3"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[3]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a></p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">Commenting on God’s providential interactions with libertarian agents, Thomas Tracy argues along similar lines that:</p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar"><span style="font-size:10pt;">In establishing this relation to creatures, God commits himself to a pattern of interaction that qualifies the scope and direction of his activity. He creates a field of other agents whose integrity he respects and so whose independent actions condition his choices. This amounts to a purposeful limitation of the scope of his own activity, but it dos not nullify his omnipotence: he remains an all-powerful and radically self-creative agent capable of freely regulating his own pattern of life at every movement of his existence. Intentional self-restraint does not represent a enunciation of omnipotence, but rather a renunciation of certain uses of power, and this is entirely in keeping with God’s unlimited self-creativity.</span><a href="#_ftn4" title="_ftnref4" name="_ftnref4"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[4]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">Starting, then, with the assumption of libertarian freedom, this view of providence conceives of divine predetermination in a very general sense. God exerts his influence and exercises his control over creation only to extent that it does not violate libertarian freedom. So God does not causally determine <em>all things</em>; he only determines the general structure of reality (like say, setting up it laws, granting man freedom, etc.)—not its particular actualizations.<a href="#_ftn5" title="_ftnref5" name="_ftnref5"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[5]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> These particularities are left up to the self-creativity of his creatures. Libertarian freedom is proof of this.<a href="#_ftn6" title="_ftnref6" name="_ftnref6"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[6]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a></p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="BlockQuoteChar" style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;"><em>1.2<span>       </span>The Molinist Model<span>     </span></em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;">Molinism (from the medieval Jesuit philosopher Louis de Molina) starts out with the assumption that God has knowledge of what every libertarian agent would do in every <em>possible world</em> (i.e. God has <em>middle knowledge</em>). In the moment logically prior to creation God eternally contemplates every possible world and then chooses the world which is most suited for his plans and purposes. According to Molinists, the agents in the actual world have libertarian freedom since they could have (and presumably would have) done otherwise in other possible worlds. As Richard Gaskin claims, “Middle knowledge enables God to plan for every eventuality, never to be taken by surprise; but it achieves this without derogating from human autonomy: God does not have to know what is going to happen by making it happen.”<a href="#_ftn7" title="_ftnref7" name="_ftnref7"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[7]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> As it relates to divine election and predestination, the Molinist claims that God elects by virtue of instantiating the present world from among all of the other possible worlds. In other words, by God choosing to actualize the present world, he chose the libertarian agents who would freely choose him in that world. Thus, Craig seems to view predestination as a subset of divine sovereignty: “We might say that it is up to God whether we find ourselves in a world in which we are actually predestined but it is up to us whether we are predestined in the world in which we find ourselves.”<a href="#_ftn8" title="_ftnref8" name="_ftnref8"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[8]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a> So God’s determination, once again, is very general. God determines a world of consisting of a network of libertarian choices rather than a network of events in a world. He only determines the particular events of the actual world in so far as they are part of the world he chooses to instantiate. It is important to emphasize that for the Molinist, God’s knowledge of the events in each possible world are logically prior to and independent of his decree. Consequently, God has control over the events he knows only in so far as he chooses whether to instantiate a world with those exact events. And it is not the case that God can determine any set of events (i.e. any world) he wants, he can only determine events in so far as they are feasible within a network of events in a possible world i.e. while there may be a presumably infinite range of <em>possible worlds</em>, there is only a logically limited range of <em>feasible worlds</em>. As Thomas Flint summarizes:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:0;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">Though God has no control over which truths he knows via middle knowledge, and thus no control over which worlds are feasible worlds, he has complete control over which feasible world will become actual, and he fully exercises this complete control by performing a particular complete creative act. Hence, the Molinist can consistently say that each and every contingent event that occurs is subject to divine sovereignty&#8230;.Hence, the whole world truly <em>is</em> in God’s hands: everything that happens was not only foreseen, but either intended or at least permitted by a deity who had full power to prevent it</span>.<a href="#_ftn9" title="_ftnref9" name="_ftnref9"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[9]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0;line-height:normal;">Thus, God’s sovereignty means control only in a general sense. On this view, God does not directly determine individual choices, only worlds in which individual choices are made.</p>
<p><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><strong>To be continiued&#8230;</strong></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref1" title="_ftn1" name="_ftn1"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[1]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> See for example Marcel Sarot, “Omnipotence and Self Limitation,” in <em>CFPT</em>, 172-85.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref2" title="_ftn2" name="_ftn2"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[2]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Swinburne, <em>Responsibility and Atonement</em>, 51.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref3" title="_ftn3" name="_ftn3"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[3]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Bruce Reichenbach, “God Limits his Power,” in <em>Predestination and Free Will: Four Views on Divine Sovereignty and Human Freedom</em>, edited by David and Randall Basinger (Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press, 1986), 104-19.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref4" title="_ftn4" name="_ftn4"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[4]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Thomas Tracy, <em>God, Embodiment, and Action</em> (Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans Publishing, 1984), 143-44.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref5" title="_ftn5" name="_ftn5"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[5]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> cf. D.J. Bartholomew, <em>God of Chance</em> (London: CMC Press, 1984).</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref6" title="_ftn6" name="_ftn6"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[6]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> For further discussion of some of these points, esp. interaction with Jewish exegetes and philosophers, see Sarot, “Omnipotence and Self Limitation,” 172-85.</span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref7" title="_ftn7" name="_ftn7"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[7]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Richard Gaskin, “Conditionals of Freedom and Middle Knowledge,” in <em>Middle Knowledge: Theory and Application</em>, ed. by William Hasker, David Basinger, and Eef Dekker, CPT, ed. by Gijsbert van den Brink, Vincent Brummer, and Marcel Sarot (Oxford, Eng.: Peter Lang, 2000), 138. </span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref8" title="_ftn8" name="_ftn8"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[8]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> William Lane Craig, “Middle Knowledge, A Calvinist-Arminian Rapprochement,” <em>The Grace of God and the Will of Man: A Case for Arminianism</em>, ed. by Clark H. Pinnock (Grand Rapids, Mich.: Academic Books; Zondervan Publishing House, 1989), 157. </span></p>
<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a href="#_ftnref9" title="_ftn9" name="_ftn9"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span>[9]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Thomas P. Flint, “Two Accounts of Providence,” in <em>Divine and Human Action: Essays on the Metaphysics of Theism</em>, edited by Thomas V. Morris (Ithaca, N.Y.: Cornell University Press, 1988)158-59.</span></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Summary and Conclusions</strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;">Two basic models of freedom have been surveyed in this series of posts. First, I considered a variety of libertarian models. PAP, the principle of alternative possibilities, is the most significant motivation for libertarian freedom. Frankfurt’s counter-examples to the ability of these alternative scenarios to function as robust grounds for moral responsibility seem to me to be fairly convincing. I have considered <span> </span>a series of responses to these objections, but Fischer seems to have demonstrated that each of these do not hold up for one reason or another. Compatibilism offers a differing model of freedom that does not depend upon events in the alternative sequence, but grounds responsibility in the actual sequence, which seems intuitively to be the environment for the locust of freedom in any case. I develop this point further in a forthcoming set of posts on divine providence. Of the available compatibilist accounts of freedom, semi-compatibilism provides the most rigorous and intuitive appeal from my perspective since its analysis is grounded in a plausible notion of control and reasons responsiveness in the actual sequence mechanism. This paves the way for a nuanced account of divine providence and human freedom that I will pursue in my next set of posts.</p>
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		<title>Stephen Meyer Mp3 &amp; Video</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lecture on Intelligent Design A lecture on The New Cosmology: Theistic Implications A lecture on Quantum Cosmology &#160; Stephen C. Meyer is director and Senior Fellow of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute, in Seattle. &#160; Dr. Meyer earned his Ph.D. in the History and Philosophy of Science from Cambridge [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=233&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">A lecture on <a href="http://www.meta-library.net/perspevo/pressm-frame.html">Intelligent Design</a><br />
A lecture on <a href="http://www.meta-library.net/cosmcrea/newcosm-frame.html">The New Cosmology: Theistic Implications</a><br />
A lecture on <a href="http://www.meta-library.net/cosmcrea/meyerqm-frame.html">Quantum Cosmology</a></p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">Stephen C. Meyer is director and Senior Fellow of the Center for Science and Culture at the <!--g--><a href="http://www.meta-library.net/other/disc-body.html">Discovery Institute</a>, in Seattle.</p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">Dr. Meyer earned his Ph.D. in the History and Philosophy of Science from Cambridge University for a dissertation on the history of origin of life biology and the methodology of the historical sciences. Previously he worked as a geophysicist with the Atlantic Richfield Company after earning his undergraduate degrees in Physics and Geology.</p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">Dr. Meyer has recently co-written or edited two books: <em>Darwinism, Design, and Public Education</em> with Michigan State University Press and <em>Science and Evidence of Design in the Universe</em> (Ignatius 2000).</p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="margin:0 0 0.0001pt;">He has also authored numerous technical articles as well as editorials in magazines and newspapers such as <em>The Wall Street Journal</em>, <em>The Los Angeles Times</em>, <em>The Houston Chronicle</em>, <em>The Chicago Tribune</em>, <em>First Things</em> and <em>National Review</em>.</p>
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		<title>Pray for the Uygur, Lop Nur of China</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pray for this un-reached people group. Identity Although the Lop Nur people have been officially included as part of the Uygur nationality, “they differ from the Uygur people in both language and appearance &#8211; looking more like Mongolians.” History The Lop Nur Uygurs are “believed to be descended from the ancient Loulan people. Their ancestors [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=232&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pray for this un-reached people group.</p>
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<p><strong>Identity</strong><br />
Although the Lop Nur people have been officially included as part of the Uygur nationality, “they differ from the Uygur people in both language and appearance &#8211; looking more like Mongolians.”</p>
<p><strong>History</strong><br />
The Lop Nur Uygurs are “believed to be descended from the ancient Loulan people. Their ancestors all lived at Lop Nur and were engaged in fishing and hunting. When Lop Nur dried up several decades ago, they were forced to move and settle down in Miran.” When Marco Polo visited the ancient city of Lop, now buried deep beneath the sand, he noted, “There are many springs of bad and bitter water, though in some places the water is good and sweet. When it happens that an army passes through the country, if it is a hostile one, the people take flight with their wives and children and their beasts two or three days’ journey into the sandy wastes to places where they know there is water and they can live with their beasts.”</p>
<p><strong>Customs</strong><br />
Seven centuries ago, Marco Polo described the effect the Taklimakan Desert had on stray travelers. “When a man is riding by night through the desert and something happens to make him loiter and lose touch with his companions he hears spirits talking in such a way that they seem to be his companions. Sometimes, indeed, they even hail him by name. Often these voices make him stray from the path, so that he never finds it again. And in this way many travelers have been lost and have perished.”</p>
<p><strong>Religion</strong><br />
The Lop Nur Uygurs converted to Islam several centuries ago. They retain many features of their pre-Islamic spirit-appeasement rituals, including the worship of the sun, moon, stars, and wind.</p>
<p><strong>Christianity</strong><br />
There is no apparent Christian presence among the people living in the desolate wastes of the Lop Nur region. Nestorian missionaries from the eighth to thirteenth centuries established churches along the Silk Road townships, but all memory of them and their message has long since been obliterated by the all encompassing sands of the Taklimakan Desert.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php">More of the Uygur</a>.</p>
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		<title>Un-holy Laughter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know whether to laugh or to cry…….</p>
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		<title>Jay Smith Mp3</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Key Issues Of Islam #1 &#8211; Jay Smith   14193.mp3 Key Issues Of Islam #2 &#8211; Jay Smith   14194.mp3<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=graphe.wordpress.com&amp;blog=433034&amp;post=230&amp;subd=graphe&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;">Key Issues Of Islam #1 &#8211; Jay Smith</span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;"> </span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;"><a href="http://server.firefighters.org/catalog/2002/14193.mp3" title="To download, right click and select Save Target As ...">14193.mp3</a><br />
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